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on that note ...
because kossai look around and collect music , but also want to prioritise talents of actual musicians , really try to figure out how to identify machine gen works . unfortunately easier to identify visual styles than musical styles , especially because kossai do not know much formally about musical composition , and take more time to analyse with ears than with eyes .
so , what kossai do identify is moreso about channel and release history . this include flags like :
history only since 2023 or onward .
correspond with availability of tools like suno . however , sometimes dates will be inaccurate - upload date on topic channels is irrelevant , but even release date within description can be wrong .
on flip side of this , while methods to machine generate music exist before 2023 ( see carykh in particular for creative take back in 2017 ) easy public tools did not exist until then - would have to go through more effort and pains , or else have particularly special access , for something that might not even sound believable . would just not be valuable to pull off this kind of scam .
machine generative artwork for album covers .
... but again , some real musicians also use this , for any number of reasons . usually shitty ones ( that algorithms kind of encourage ) , which kossai prefer not to defend , but still not guarantee music is also generative .
very long albums as solo artist .
some people make long collection albums to contain large parts of discography over many years , and likewise long soundtracks take plenty of time to make - but regular albums of 20+ songs is suspicious .
song names seem to mean nothing .
this will be kind of subjective , different people take different words in different directions , but musicians of particular style usually have some kinds of tropes for particular words . if twinkle do not twinkle and jazz do not jazz , real person might not have creative control here .
ridiculous upload schedule .
able to release full albums weekly ? either that is seriously impressive backlog , or scam . even youtube musicians like vindsvept and adrian von ziegler upload one singular song per every two weeks , if not occasionally longer .
no presence anywhere else .
david and diane arkenstone , derek and brandon fiechter - these people have big libraries , but also have many years of history in various circles and platforms . musicians like howard shore , kazumi totaka , and omar saab alike all have credits in legitimate , searchable projects . even internet usernames like whitesilverangel usually have some kind of personal activity , on youtube or otherwise . lack of any presence and history , especially with huge libraries , is weird .
of course , some of these people also aware of these flags , and try to appear more legitimate with shorter albums , or spread music between different names under one " record label " , which is what suspect of fairycorn records - elysia fair , starry song , luparia dreamy , eve enchanted , and dahlia twinkletree .
still , some of this is hard to work around - and more effort than most will really care to put in . individual members of fairycorn records have no presence for example , only record label account which exist to promote music . this is about quick and easy money , after all - anyone who look hard enough to see these flags will probably see no matter how hard anyone try , so why bother ?
so , what kossai do identify is moreso about channel and release history . this include flags like :
history only since 2023 or onward .
correspond with availability of tools like suno . however , sometimes dates will be inaccurate - upload date on topic channels is irrelevant , but even release date within description can be wrong .
on flip side of this , while methods to machine generate music exist before 2023 ( see carykh in particular for creative take back in 2017 ) easy public tools did not exist until then - would have to go through more effort and pains , or else have particularly special access , for something that might not even sound believable . would just not be valuable to pull off this kind of scam .
machine generative artwork for album covers .
... but again , some real musicians also use this , for any number of reasons . usually shitty ones ( that algorithms kind of encourage ) , which kossai prefer not to defend , but still not guarantee music is also generative .
very long albums as solo artist .
some people make long collection albums to contain large parts of discography over many years , and likewise long soundtracks take plenty of time to make - but regular albums of 20+ songs is suspicious .
song names seem to mean nothing .
this will be kind of subjective , different people take different words in different directions , but musicians of particular style usually have some kinds of tropes for particular words . if twinkle do not twinkle and jazz do not jazz , real person might not have creative control here .
ridiculous upload schedule .
able to release full albums weekly ? either that is seriously impressive backlog , or scam . even youtube musicians like vindsvept and adrian von ziegler upload one singular song per every two weeks , if not occasionally longer .
no presence anywhere else .
david and diane arkenstone , derek and brandon fiechter - these people have big libraries , but also have many years of history in various circles and platforms . musicians like howard shore , kazumi totaka , and omar saab alike all have credits in legitimate , searchable projects . even internet usernames like whitesilverangel usually have some kind of personal activity , on youtube or otherwise . lack of any presence and history , especially with huge libraries , is weird .
of course , some of these people also aware of these flags , and try to appear more legitimate with shorter albums , or spread music between different names under one " record label " , which is what suspect of fairycorn records - elysia fair , starry song , luparia dreamy , eve enchanted , and dahlia twinkletree .
still , some of this is hard to work around - and more effort than most will really care to put in . individual members of fairycorn records have no presence for example , only record label account which exist to promote music . this is about quick and easy money , after all - anyone who look hard enough to see these flags will probably see no matter how hard anyone try , so why bother ?