sigh .

Oct. 20th, 2024 10:12 pm
kossai: masculine kossai hold up yellow magic heart (Default)
[personal profile] kossai
another day , another speaker who treat lack of speech as inferior trait , flaw that need to " fix " .

math on this one do not work out , folks . not how things work .

Date: Oct. 21st, 2024 04:43 am (UTC)
malymin: A wide-eyed tabby catz peeking out of a circle. (Default)
From: [personal profile] malymin

Sigh... I'm sorry that's happened yet again.

Well ...

Date: Oct. 21st, 2024 09:58 am (UTC)
ysabetwordsmith: Cartoon of me in Wordsmith persona (Default)
From: [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
Humans kind of define themselves as "the ones who talk" in a world of beings who mostly communicate in other ways.

Why cats rub all over humans: "Maybe if I smear enough pheromones on this idiot, he'll figure out how to communicate properly."

Re: Well ...

Date: Oct. 21st, 2024 11:42 am (UTC)
onlyknownothing: A painting of a man in a bowler hat and suit.  A green apple obscures the man's face. (Default)
From: [personal profile] onlyknownothing

Human beings love to assign themselves into a special category of "different from everything else," with the (often implied, but sometimes explicit) addition of "better too."

The more we learn, the more obvious it is that that's simply not true. Not only do other creatures have methods of expression that humans simply have not learned to comprehend, but even those creatures without spoken language show clear signs of interior worlds and emotions which go beyond the simple dichotomy most people hold of either "intelligent species capable of communication" or "dumb beast."

There is no firm line separating humans from anything else that I've ever found. Heck, many people not in the "Western" hegemon understand that perfectly - indigenous and "Eastern" beliefs regularly place humanity in a position recognizing that they are an interwoven part of a tapestry which directly incorporates everything else too and honors the importance of all things in how they contribute. And frankly, it's my opinion that humanity could stand to remember that we aren't unique in any particular non-replicable way. Other creatures demonstrate language - even spoken language. Crows give each other (and us) unique names. Even plants communicate, on a scale and in a way we have yet to fully discover. Many animals have a sense of self, too, and interior worlds which match human emotions.

The only thing that makes us "different" that I've actually found is our own insistence that we're "different." And even that may not be unique. 🤷

Re: Well ...

Date: Oct. 21st, 2024 03:54 pm (UTC)
onlyknownothing: A painting of a man in a bowler hat and suit.  A green apple obscures the man's face. (Default)
From: [personal profile] onlyknownothing

😊💚

Re: Well ...

Date: Oct. 22nd, 2024 09:49 am (UTC)
ysabetwordsmith: Cartoon of me in Wordsmith persona (Default)
From: [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith
>> Human beings love to assign themselves into a special category of "different from everything else," with the (often implied, but sometimes explicit) addition of "better too."<<

LOL yes.

>> The more we learn, the more obvious it is that that's simply not true. <<

I would say, there are things which are common and others which are rare. Tool use, language, those are among the scarcer examples. I've heard it argued that only humans use timebinding -- the ability to pass down knowledge, not just directly, but indirectly. Well then, do scent marks or territory scrapes not count as communication between individuals who are not present together? And so it goes.

>>There is no firm line separating humans from anything else that I've ever found. Heck, many people not in the "Western" hegemon understand that perfectly - indigenous and "Eastern" beliefs regularly place humanity in a position recognizing that they are an interwoven part of a tapestry which directly incorporates everything else too and honors the importance of all things in how they contribute. <<

Mitakuya oyasin.

Date: Oct. 21st, 2024 11:49 am (UTC)
onlyknownothing: A painting of a man in a bowler hat and suit.  A green apple obscures the man's face. (Default)
From: [personal profile] onlyknownothing

I'm sorry. You are valuable (and valued) as you are, and you do not deserve to be seen as "lesser" just because you have a different set of things and views to contribute to existence. As someone with autism who constantly has to advocate for myself on this sort of thing, I take the same stand for you - you are not a "problem to be solved."

You are. That's it. The only "problem" is that people can't figure out that someone not like them doesn't need to be forcibly gone at with societal "hammer and tongs" until they either fit the common view of acceptable or irreparably break. 😑

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